Tomsic, Frances 1

Birth Name Tomsic, Frances
Nick Name Fanny
Gramps ID I0153
Gender female
Age at Death 85 years, 7 months, 6 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth estimated 1894 Vrh, Hinje, Zuzemberk, Slovenia  
 
Immigration 1905 Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio, USA as Franca from Vrh, Slovenia
 
Death 1979-08-07 Ashtabula, OH, USA  
 

Parents

Relation to main person Name Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Tomšič, Jožef [I0136]
Mother Škufca, Marjeta [I0137]
    Brother     Tomšič, Joseph Sr [I0166]
    Brother     Tomsic, Jakob [I0154]
    Brother     Tomsic, Anton [I0011]
    Sister     Tomsic, Mary [I0152]
    Sister     Tomsic, Jennie [I0350]
         Tomsic, Frances [I0153]

Families

    Family of Hocevar, Frank Sr and Tomsic, Frances [F0088]
Married Husband Hocevar, Frank Sr [I0277]
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage 1913-04-05 Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio, USA  
Event Note

Bridesmaid, 2nd from Left, is Frances Vidrich who married Jacob/Jack Tomsic in 1925.

 
Residence 1935 Hocevar Farm - Ashtabula  
 
  Narrative

Tomsic_Frances_Fanny__Hocevar
or, Fanny Tomsic Hocevar

MARRIAGE RECORD
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Name: Fannie Tomsik
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1913
Form Type: Marriage
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Place: Austria
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's name: Maggie Skupa
Spouse's Name: Frank Hocevar
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse's Birth Year: abt 1889
Spouse Father's Name: Joseph
Spouse Mother's Name: Fannie Mesojedic

1920 CENSUS - THE RIGHT ONE
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Fannie Hocevar
[Fannke Rocever in Census - wrong]
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Lieburg Austria
[Lilburg S]
Home in 1920: Cleveland Ward 23, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Frank Hocevar
Father's Birthplace: Lieburg Austria
[Lilburg]
Mother's Birthplace: Lieburg Austria
[Lilburg Au]
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Hocevar 30
Fannie Hocevar 27
Frank Hocevar 6
Fannie Hocevar 5

1940 CENSUS - PERFECT - Note son Frank in 1920 (assume Bill Azman's Friend)
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Name: Frances Hocevar
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Yugoslavia
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: East 53 Street
Inferred Residence in 1935: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 11B
Occupation: Lodginghouse Keeper
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Hocevar 49
Frances Hocevar 47
Frances Hocevar 25
Edward Hocevar 17
Steve Desput 47
Frank Hegler 45
Frank Ziberman 47
John Lipovec 60
John Bodner 60
John Bonchina 53

Bill PecjakJr Note re: Edward Hocevar - Mar 2014
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I just looked at the Tomsic line, and forgot Eddie Hocevar. He was a good guy. He was a meat cutter too, like Uncle Tony. He worked at Cimperman's market which was on E.60th st and was Azman's competition, as well as Malenshek's market which was just down the street from cimpermans. Malenshek used to call himself the neighborhood klobase king, and Cimperman's was just average sausages....nothing to brag about.

MORE on Hocevars from Bill Azman Jr. - Mar 2014
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Anton Tomsic, our grandfather's sister is Aunt Fannie(Frances), who married Frank Hocevar. I think he died early because I don't remember seeing him on the farm on Rt. 166 off of Rt. 534 in Harpersfield. Their son Frank Hocevar Jr. (lets call him) was my father's best friend, and my mother's cousin. The whole Azman-Tomsic thing started when grandpa Tomsic wanted to sell his Mervar button box, and Frank Jr bought it. Well as it was, my Dad went with him to Tomsic's house with Frank....and that's when my mother saw him, but didn't meet him...I think Ma said she was 12 at that time.
However, Ma told me that Frank Jr told her he had a tall, dark-haired handsome gentleman for her to meet, (!!!) and introduced her to his best friend Bill Azman.

My father told me that Mr Tomsic knew Mr Azman thru the meat business and Mr Tomsic would borrow Mr Azman's big cars when ever they needed one for baptisms or communions or somethings like that, when they had the business on E . 185th st.
If I have it right, Frances Hocevar, Frank Jr's sister, married Jimmy Jerina. One of Jimmy and Fran's kids now own the farm on Rt. 166. I think they had 3 or 4 kids.

from Alysan Azman - Mar 2014
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I DO think that Kenny & Clarence are the same person, Just tried an obit search in the PD, but no luck. His wife's name was Anne, and they have a son, Joey Tomsick, who has a polka band, the Joey Tomsick Orchestra. I am thinking Kenny died last year; his wife not long before. Not sure about living in Cleveland - I know mom had some relatives in Pennsylvania. The 'Adolph' rings a hell....not sure about 'Florence'.

Joey Tomsick Orchestra has a website - I clicked on the FB link, but nothing there. And the Tomsicks were friends of the Hocevars.

Ruthie, I am guessing, was Ruthie Hocevar, married to Ed Hocevar.

Death Certificate
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Frances Hocevar
Birth Date: 1893
Gender: Female
Race: White
Residence Place: Ashtabula, Ohio, United States
Death Date: 7 Aug 1979
Hospital of Death: Home
Death Place: Ashtabula, Ohio, USA
Certificate: 061121
Age at Death: 86
Certifier: Coroner
Autopsy: Yes, used for certification
Social Security Number: 298-42-0285
Marital Status: Widowed

  Narrative

Hocevar_Frank - WW2Card - Family info

Frank Hocevar
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1889
Birth Place: Austria
Residence: Cleveland, Ohio
Race: White
Age: 53

Other info on card (see image too)
1441 East 53rd Street Cleveland

Wife: Frances

 

Employed at Royal Brass
43rd Street, Cleveland

see WW1 Card too:
Lived at 1466 East 43rd at the time with wife and children

  Children
  1. Hocevar, Frank Jr [I0365]
  2. Hocevar, Francis [I0366]
  3. Hocevar, Edward [I0367]

Media

Narrative

Fanny (Francis) and Mary, sisters, more... per Bill Azman Jr. 03/26/2012 correspondence: Fanny Hocevar and grandpa Tomsic were brother and sister, the other sister of grandpa Tomsic, MARY lived in Cleveland off East 55th and JENNIE lived in Colorado...and uncle Bill went there on a motorcycle...an Indian motorcycle! And she married another Tomsick...spelled with a K....that was Kenny's mom and dad...he was a change of life baby....had a detective-cop brother who had a bar on the west side..his name was Adolph...there is a sister still living also... Kenny was mom's first cousin and is our second cousin.

CORRECTION: Mary stayed in Cleveland area, it seems. See Anton Tomsic death record. Jennie Tomsic Zaler (Zeller?) was the sister in Colorado.

Narrative

Frances Tomsic-Hocevar Death - Another death notice for a woman in Willoughby OH. Not sure this is the one.

Pedigree

  1. Tomšič, Jožef [I0136]
    1. Škufca, Marjeta [I0137]
      1. Tomšič, Joseph Sr [I0166]
      2. Tomsic, Jakob [I0154]
      3. Tomsic, Anton [I0011]
      4. Tomsic, Mary [I0152]
      5. Tomsic, Jennie [I0350]
      6. Tomsic, Frances
        1. Hocevar, Frank Sr [I0277]
          1. Hocevar, Frank Jr [I0365]
          2. Hocevar, Francis [I0366]
          3. Hocevar, Edward [I0367]

Ancestors

Source References

  1. Ellis Island Records Check 04/2012 [S0023]